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This week, let's talk about combat tactics. We have been examining some of our behind the scenes data, and one thing that surprised us was the amount of passing in combat. This Friday, we would like to ask everyone out there for their thoughts on that specific subject.
How often do you pass in combat? Only when all your cards are greyed out, or for other reasons?
If not only when you have no other options, why?
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1) Accidentally Dispelled the Card I was going to use. 2) Unwanted Cards in Hand 3) Timer ran out (25% of the time this is the reason) 4) Not enough Pips. (and my favourite) 5) Accidentally pressing the Pass button then realising it's too late.
It depends on what's happening. If there's a multi-round spell already in effect and it will kill the boss...why bother?
Sometimes, I'm looking for something in my treasure deck (especially if I'm fighting something that is *my* school and my treasure deck has something the boss is vulnerable to.) I know, I know, we've got those little transformer trap-thingies, but if they don't pop up in my deck, I need to do something else. (I like to plan for contingencies.)
Sometimes, whoever I'm fighting with (usually my sister) has a new spell they want to try out and I'm willing to sit back and let them play. (It's just a game... right?)
Occasionally, I am just waiting for pips, but sometimes I'm hoping that a trap or blade will pop up to help intensify the spell. Especially for my higher level characters, that really becomes important. If you don't trap it and blade it and it's got eight million hit points you might as well try to fire elf it to death.
I think those are all the normal reasons I pass.
Lenora StormEyes (who is actually , which never fails to confuse everyone .)
I will pass if I need pips to cast the spell I wanted or if I don't get any attack spells come up. Some times I will pass to let a less experienced wizard get the kill and better XP for them ( most of the time I will set traps and blades for them to use ).
I pass if I'm waiting for a particular spell I have up to come into play (as in I don't have enough pip's to cast it yet). I also pass if I am waiting for a spell to come up, like a trap if I'm setting my opponent up. I will ditch all my other cards (unless there are others in my hand I want to use later) and wait for that particular card. In cases like that where I'm setting them up, I tend to use a smaller deck so I get the cards I want quicker rather than having to drop loads and wait for what I want.
Usually I pass to build up power pips for a big spell since we only get to start with 2 and the baddies get to start with lots of pips, it takes time to get ours up high enough to hit. I might also pass if someone after me wants to put a blade on me or remove a weakness. Or if I am waiting for the spell card I need to come up.
**Please consider giving us more pips at the beginning of our battles. Maybe a shield with extra power pips or some other gear to help us out. It does not seem fair that the higher we get the more pips the baddies get but we dont increase at all.**
I generally just find that my deck tends to be a bit bloated.
I'm a level 89 Myth Wizard and I probably use less than 20% of all available Myth spells. Even then, on any given turn, majority of the cards in my hand are probably not ones I want to use that turn.
It doesn't help that there are about 10 spells alone for dealing with minions and the last minion Myth received was Talos, who at level 90 really doesn't cut it.
Every school has their own gimmick and I assumed that as Myth, I'd have more minion options. Myth seems like the closest thing in the game to a traditional MMO "pet class" but it seems like the design of the class doesn't fully commit to that concept.
It's a tough situation to deal with because if Myth becomes reliant on a minion, then Myth will be at a major disadvantage when running in 4-player groups.
Honestly, I just think that the biggest problem at this point is the bloating of the number of spells people have to choose from. I know that the next major update does not raise the level cap, but I'm assuming the following one will move the cap to 100. I think that is a great time to reflect on all the spells that are in the game and maybe reduce the spell bloat players have.
First off I hate to pass, it just bugs me. But when I do pass its because I am building pips for better hit...tempest, heck hound or judgement. I am dumping cards to get the spell i want up cause my deck isn't cooperating. The I am stunned reason. Or I am waiting for the right time to use a spell.
As a storm wizard i'm generally trying to get the one shot knock out, so i pass whenever my blades and traps are expended. I also pass if i'm trying to cast a feint but all i have is power pips, and I pass when i clear my hand in search of the sun spell I need
My main reason for passing is because I am saving up for a major damage shot and have no zero pip cards to cast. The only other reason I really do is when I have discarded a lot of bogus cards from my hand and need them to shuffle new ones out.
Typically it is just that. I will only pass when I need to. When in doubt it is always good to do things like blade or tower shield but in most cases if my cards are all grey or just not useful in any way I will discard and pass for better spells. I also pass when looking at my pip count. If I see that I have two turns until I could do something like Efreet, but a blade like elemental which would use a pip even though I have all power pips, I will most likely discard it and hope I get a better blade/trap next round. It really just depends on the scenario. It is more likely to pass during PvE than PvP since with all the new changes to PvP, you need to use up as many turns to the fullest before you get destroyed by a mega siren, super efreet or just a heavily bladed spell.
I very rarely pass. In my mind, I've failed if I cannot play a card, except in a few certain instances.
Passing in PvE is usually a sign of an imbalanced deck, that is, too many spells that cost pips and not enough zero pip spells. One thing I've noticed is wizards tend to use a "One Size Fits All" approach to their deck construction and do not customize or change out cards from fight to fight. Whether they are fighting storm mobs or a death boss, they use the same deck for every fight. This would lead to not having an optimal deck set up and lead to more passing.
The only time I'm happy to pass is when I only need one more pip/power pip to cast my next attack spell. Or I might pass if the player next to me has a better attack to utilize the traps that have already been placed. And of course, I pass when all my cards are greyed out.
I try to play a card every turn if possible. And if I cannot play a card, I discard one or more cards so I can get a new card next round. I think many wizards never discard which would also lead to more passing.
are we talking about PVP or just any combat in general?
there are very few times i pass, if i have a wand shot i will use it on a minion as to not kill feints or traps on a boss that i am setting up for a kill. the number one reason i will pass is because i am just not getting the spells i am looking for. weather it's a farming deck that only has mass hits in and all i get is gear and wand shots in my hand or i am waiting for a prism before i can use any traps i need to kill. I have tried several deck setups and it does get frustrating when all i can do on a turn is just discard and pass.
I really try not to "have an open hand" and don't pass very often. I often solo, so I am usually quite busy at the beginning of a fight.
At Zafaria and beyond I face foes starting with six to ten pips, so i know i will need shields, stun shields (vs. Ice, Storm, Myth), preliminary blades, traps, prisms, and other zero pip spells while I am building pips to repair inevitable damage from the pip heavy foes. I am also building buffed situations to take timely advantage of opportunities to do big hit damage.
Later, especially during Boss fights after the minions are dealt with, I may pass if i don't have a full set of pips and don't have a usable zero pip spell handy.
I may pass to let someone steal a ward or otherwise take out shields before I launch a big hit.
I may pass to let someone downstream buff me before I launch a big hit.
I haven't run the numbers, but i would guess my pass rate is much less than 25%.
With regards to khorne's comment: **Please consider giving us more pips at the beginning of our battles. Maybe a shield with extra power pips or some other gear to help us out. It does not seem fair that the higher we get the more pips the baddies get but we dont increase at all.**
I agree there is something disheartening about having to endure longer and longer sieges before we can regroup and mount an effective counter attack.
I don't very often, when I do it's usually because I don't have anything to cast. If I have a zero rank and as long as I don't have an traps on I will use it. Otherwise I don't often pass. I've noticed that I pass more when I have a lower level Wizard. Maybe because you have less spells available to cast and normally I pass to save and earn pips, but when your a higher level you have power pips so there's less having to wait on pips. I don't think that anything needs to be changed with the passing system.Lvl:55
If you're talking about in ranked PvP, people on both sides repeatedly pass when both are out of cards, or when the person going first is turtling and the person going second can't kill them. This started to happen after the Reshuffle update. Before, people would discard cards freely, safe in the knowledge that they could reshuffle to get their cards back. But now, in stalemate situations where neither side can take down the other side, both sides pass. So it's a competition to see who has more time to waste (usually the turtle). The "loser" ends up disconnecting or fleeing.
Turtles are a type of bully. They wear the full set of jade gear from the Keeper's Lore Pack, together with a pet that has the talents spell-proof, spell-defying, spritely, fairy and unicorn. Their entire deck consists of things like earthquake (to remove blades), sanctuary and/or time of legend (to counter doom-and-gloom), guardian spirit, heals, shields, fortify, and so on. It is practically impossible to kill them from second. Their goal is to make the opponent run out of cards or flee out of frustration, all the while verbally abusing their opponent (but always in such a way that you can't actually report them because they aren't swearing, just being rude). Sometimes people flee, but sometimes they just stand there and pass.
Most of the cards in my deck are useless unless applied to a specific situation so I have to delete them to get to the only good cards in the deck. If you're looking for good feedback, what I would draw from this is that high level wizards can hardly use any of the spells we got as beginners. As a fire wizard who took secondary in storm, I can no longer use the storm spells I have for obvious reasons (pips required, less boost, etc.) I feel as though the training points I used on storm were wasted because I can't continue training past stormzilla. Is there any way to open it so high level wizards can continue to train in their secondary schools?
Reason 1: Not enough pips. This is more of an issue once you start to come against bosses that start off with 4 or more power pips. (help us out a bit by getting higher starting pips to higher levels, please?)
Reason 2: Someone in the group is stacking blades and traps, and I don't want to break them.
Reason 3: Its unnecessary to hit. Example: Minion has 13 health left, and the person before me is using a wand spell.