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PVP Tournament Ties

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Champion
Oct 30, 2011
449
In a pvp tournament, when both teams die the same turn, both teams only gain 10 points. Should it not be 50, as the teams tied? Only gaining 10 points allows other teams to catch up to the leaders, and even beat them, without battling them. I know that it doesn't happen often, but doesn't it just make sense?

Archon
Sep 17, 2012
4117
If they both died, why should they get more points? A tie like that is really both sides losing, not both winning.

Champion
Oct 30, 2011
449
seethe42 on May 5, 2014 wrote:
If they both died, why should they get more points? A tie like that is really both sides losing, not both winning.
A tie in that manner shows that both teams are about equal, which means that they should probably each get have the points..Just my opinion though, I guess. Ties in tournaments allow players that, in a normal bracket, would already be out of the tournament to sometimes win, because each of the teams, when they tie, only get 10 rating. Or, perhaps when there's a tie, Diego could decide who was the winner, and it could go 60-40 or something? In a duel with a tie, the players in second often only lose because they were second, which could cost them the tournament. I realize that second can decide tournaments. However, if a person in second is that close to winning, and the same with the person in first, should they not at least get more points than they would for losing?

Archon
Sep 17, 2012
4117
Players who do not die in a battle should always get more than people who die, no matter how close they come to "almost winning". Where do we draw the line? Should a person who ends the battle with 5000 life get more than a person that ends with 1? It's a win/lose, live/die duel. People who die get less points.

Champion
Oct 30, 2011
449
seethe42 on May 6, 2014 wrote:
Players who do not die in a battle should always get more than people who die, no matter how close they come to "almost winning". Where do we draw the line? Should a person who ends the battle with 5000 life get more than a person that ends with 1? It's a win/lose, live/die duel. People who die get less points.
Just think of it this way: In the average game, is it possible for both players to lose? In sports, does a tie count for both teams as a loss? No, it does not. A tie is not the same thing as a loss, and thus should probably not be counted as such.

Archon
Sep 17, 2012
4117
Aaron SpellThief on May 7, 2014 wrote:
Just think of it this way: In the average game, is it possible for both players to lose? In sports, does a tie count for both teams as a loss? No, it does not. A tie is not the same thing as a loss, and thus should probably not be counted as such.
Most sports aren't a duel, but ties are never counted as wins. Just look at how ties are normally handled in sports. If you have a tie for "second" place, they both get Bronze not Silver and it's the same as if both came in third place, not second. That's how most games work. A tie is less than a win.

Champion
Oct 30, 2011
449
seethe42 on May 8, 2014 wrote:
Most sports aren't a duel, but ties are never counted as wins. Just look at how ties are normally handled in sports. If you have a tie for "second" place, they both get Bronze not Silver and it's the same as if both came in third place, not second. That's how most games work. A tie is less than a win.
Well, of course a tie is not the same thing as a win, but neither is it the same thing as a loss. Ties in tournaments, and in normal pvp, count for both players as a loss. In the few sports I have ever watched/played, a tie is completely separate from a win or loss, as it is not the same as either. A tie should be split 50-50, as both players did the same, should it not?

Archon
Sep 17, 2012
4117
Aaron SpellThief on May 9, 2014 wrote:
Well, of course a tie is not the same thing as a win, but neither is it the same thing as a loss. Ties in tournaments, and in normal pvp, count for both players as a loss. In the few sports I have ever watched/played, a tie is completely separate from a win or loss, as it is not the same as either. A tie should be split 50-50, as both players did the same, should it not?
Think about it though. If two duelists march out 10 paces, turn and fire, and both happen to die... it's a tie, but they both died, no winners, 2 dead losers.

Champion
Oct 30, 2011
449
seethe42 on May 9, 2014 wrote:
Think about it though. If two duelists march out 10 paces, turn and fire, and both happen to die... it's a tie, but they both died, no winners, 2 dead losers.
If anyone bothered to give them ranking, as in Wizard101 pvp, they would probably get the same, as they both did the same. They still tied, which is not the same thing as a loss, so it would probably not be counted as a loss. If a player defeats his/her opponent (Excluding guardian spirit, minion heals, or heals from teammates, as that person would not be dead) should that person not deserve a reward, or at least no detriment? To defeat the opponent(s) is the entire objective of pvp. Since both players completed that objective, shouldn't they split the reward?